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Today’s Report: Marketing And Mountain Safety

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I have to be honest, right up front. I went to Alpine Meadows today, but never got so far as putting my ski boots on. That was okay, because it allowed me to watch a lot of confusion unfold. The last forecast discussion from NOAA near midnight last night suggested that snow levels were not going to go above 7,000 feet today. Most people indicated today that was not the case.

So what was it like? As predicted, Roundhouse was the top of the mountain today and it was mostly all rain to the top of Roundhouse. When I left at 10:10, Roundhouse was not yet loading. The snow was not powder today, but we are sure that there are people who loved it, and people that hated it. We’ve seen the comments on Facebook and Twitter today. Coverage was definitely a bit better than yesterday, as it snowed a good 8 hours after closing before it turned to rain. We’re building the solid base we have been needing since November.

Let’s Talk Marketing

There was a lot of confusion created for people today based on mixed messages delivered by the online conditions updates, email updates, Facebook updates, the electronic lift status board and various employees trying to be helpful. Apparently, at about 8:20 am, Squaw sent out an email apologizing for the closure at Squaw and indicating that Summit would also be closed. Right about that same time, Alpine Meadows sent this tweet:

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But at 9 am, Squaw Valley posted this on their Facebook feed:

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Now, this was quite possibly just an example of miscommunication between the marketing department and mountain ops. But the chain of events that was set off was predictable. Once again, the parking lot filled at Alpine Meadows with people thinking they were arriving for a powder day, instead of a rainy day. Many of them paid $114 for a lift ticket. The lines in the morning were huge again, as were the crowds in the lodge and standing around in the breezeway.

What were they waiting for? They were waiting for the Summit chair to open. The electronic status board still said Summit was open, as did the website and mobile site, until somewhere around 10:30. A lot of those people did end up leaving after a couple of runs in the rain on Roundhouse. Reportedly it was a pretty quiet afternoon.

Clearly there were quite a few unhappy customers today. Ski resorts have not always been known for their honesty in portraying current conditions, hence the rise of such sites as UnofficialAlpine.com. If only people took the time to read my article “Summit Open Today? Looks Unlikely…”, which I posted at 7:07 this morning. More than a thousand smart people read that before Alpine opened this morning….

Yeah, I know, some people had a fantastic day today. You knew it was going to rain and you came anyways, and you’re willing to stand in a long line, and you paid $114 for a ticket, and you drove 100 hours from Iowa, and you also willingly spent $75 on warmup beverages in the bar. You rock. We know that already.

Let’s Talk Mountain Safety

There’s some people that just don’t understand that the Summit closure the last two days had little to do with wind, nor was it an effort to “save the powder for the locals on Monday”. There was very clearly significant avalanche hazards on Saturday and those were severely compounded today by a ton of new snow. We told you that would be the case. Not only did Summit not run today, the following resorts did not open today due to snow safety concerns: Squaw Valley, Kirkwood, and Mount Rose. All of those resorts have steep inbounds terrain that was likely to slide today, just like Alpine Meadows.

Yesterday, we heard a group of people were caught hiking up into Alpine Bowl, just before closing to catch some powder runs. They not only had no idea of the unstable nature of the current snowpack, they were also unaware that Patrol might be bombing in that area after the resort closed for the day. Reportedly the group lost their passes. They could have also been fined up to $1000 for entering a closed area while skiing and riding.

We hope that the skiing and riding public remember that patrollers put their lives on the line daily for us. Conditions have been very sketchy the last 2 days. There have been a number of slides at Alpine Meadows this weekend, both due to control work, and in areas that have remained closed. Today’s opening was delayed by a large control slide that started in Peter’s Peril and buried a large section of Blue trail, while another near Pond Slope appeared to have slid well onto the Kangaroo Run. It’s not often that you see 4 snowcats dispatched onto the hill just before the lifts are supposed to roll. Yes, the conditions were quite hazardous out there.

It was only last year that patroller Bill Foster lost his life doing control work on South Face on the Sherwood side. Squaw Valley also lost patroller Andrew Entin in 2009 during control work on Headwall. It’s dangerous enough for patrollers to get the job done. It’s unreasonable to expect patrollers to risk their lives more than necessary – whether to open lifts that should not be open, or to assist those that insist on going for the goods in closed areas.

We know that that the marketing department will not always be the first one to tell you that there are legitimate concerns regarding snow safety. In fact, KSL seems to be determined to market Alpine Meadows as that family friendly little cluster of gently sloped groomed trails. The reality is that as soon as you make that turn off of Highway 89, you’re entering a steep walled canyon that has a history of some deadly avalanches.

Thanks for your work Alpine Meadows patrol and NSP volunteers. Your job is not easy, especially when Mother Nature has been so wacky.

Here’s some helpful tips about Summit operations…no matter what you hear from the marketing department:

• Summit will close at wind speeds around 80 mph from the west. Check wind speed at the NOAA Remote Data page.

• Summit will close at wind speeds around 50 mph from the east as it is less protected.

• Summit will also close at wind speeds around 50 from the south as it stops chairs from moving through the terminal.

• If there is more than a foot of snow in normal conditions, there will likely be a delayed opening for Summit for control work.

• If there is more than a few inches of new snow that falls on a firm base or a faceted base (old snow), expect a delay in opening or a closure.

• If new snow is wet or heavy relative to the snow underneath, like today, expect a very delayed opening or closure.

Those are not official numbers in any way so don’t hold anyone to it…just based on years of casual observations.

Hoping for a better day tomorrow for everyone.

 

20 thoughts on “Today’s Report: Marketing And Mountain Safety”

  1. Monday morning doesn’t look promising either. Bring on a pond skim! I thought the east wind speed was around 30 mph to close Summit. Nice pics, Mark. Is there one marketing team for both mountains? no? maybe they should have coffee and get to know one another!

          1. Thanks Mark, always nice to read your posts and the truth. Stayed far away this weekend, glad they “saved” Summit for us locals today ;->

            Btw, this whole thread should be forwarded to Mr. Wirth for his $.002, would be interesting to hear his ramblings on the whole fiasco, safety aside of course.

    1. Upgrade Patrol to AT&T's Telegram Service

      The various facets of the mtn need to talk more often. Do patrol have the ipad things that double up as wifi’d on the spot incident report forms, e-statements from witnesses, wifi cameras of accidents, AND this new fangled wireless telephony thing that lets you talk to the marketing dept?

      Or are they still using smoke signals and the telegram?

      1. really you think they can use that stuff in our weather conditons? not to mention interference with beacons and oh yeah AT&T barely even works at Alpine!

  2. The Squaw management philosophy of sending people to Alpine whether it is ski teams over the holidays or storm closures like this weekend needs some serious revision. Alpine simply cannot handle the peak traffic that normally would be spread between both mountains.

    In this era where the CEO comes from a marketing background, it seems reasonable to expect a more unified social media message than the mixed bag of half truths this weekend produced.

    1. Let me apologize in advance for those that will rapidly appear to call you an elitist and demand that you share Alpine. Those are the same people that would have a fit if Starbucks cut the number of stores in their town down by half, then doubled their prices and expected that people would just rally behind the Starbucks name.

    2. As a marketer and brand builder, I’m surprised to see Squawpine’s Marketing department continually “over promise and under deliver.”

      On their website recently, they even have “Best Conditions in Tahoe.” As we all know, that is far from the truth.

      1. IOPlacer's $697,000 of marketing budget

        I ask myself “where does Placer advertise the $697,000 of OV taxes?” Was it in the Universal/VisitCalifornia/Tahoe/Mammoth tv ad ‘campaign’. Was it spent on brochures handed to people as they already started to board their flight TO California? Show me the money trail please. I figure unofficialalpine does a better job promoting SV & AM internationally and domestically to real skiers and destination skiers. Just listen for the Anglo accents.

  3. Thanks, Mark, for this post. All too few people (sad to say … even some locals) have absolutely no clue at all regarding what it takes to get the AM ski area open on any given day — let alone when the offerings from the Snow God has been such a deadly mixed bag. What I see as a real concern, though, is KSL’s lack of awareness of what they, themselves, are now involved with. Sending tons of people off to sit in traffic that meanders up Alpine Meadows Road and into the parking lot (both areas often can be hit by avi debris) is both ignorant and completely callous. This practice is a recipe for disaster. YET ANOTHER example of KSL’s poor judgment — but this one could kill a bunch of nice folks. This is not OK.

    1. Carparking structure at AM?

      I thought I heard something like

      a) modify the AM bridge,

      b) buy land on mtn hwy near the bridge for resort use.,

      c) expand the parking/maintenance area near’ish mtn highway,

      d) run shuttles there as an interchange, eg if shuttles on AM Rd need chains but a drive from SV to AM on a clear hwy doesn’t need chains. Chaining up is a pita. (Or build the connecting lift that isn’t actually mentioned in the Right Plan).

      e) build a parking structure somewhere near day lodge,

      f) fix the bends where spin outs occur,

      g) maybe a sister 8 mile pipe up there from spring water or run the 8 mile pipe up there and also to Hwood. Not sure about this bit coz it’s depend on re-routing the road – which’ll happen because the 64 acre bus terminal/Fanny Bridge can’t handle the traffic so the road will go thru usfs land.

      h) all of which makes KSL greener and waterier for the day they take on people in enviro-court.

      i) all of which ‘#freesquaw’ because the water board isn’t helping expand snowmaking areas at SV with the 8 mile pipe because watering the slopes isn’t related to supply of water to 238 house approvals, 750 planned condos and maybe 100 vacant house sites.

      Jusy hypothocizing of course in a warming climate, fluctuating seasons, and a host of committees making recommendations, like cutting down 43,000 trees for a green bike path that’ll hide a big fat power line.

      Love,

      “Don’t ask What would John Muir do. Ask what would Gordon Gecko do!”.

  4. Says a SV local on facebook:

    “Only one lift open at Alpine meadows, parking lot is full, lift Operations, Mtn. Management, what’s wrong. Back when I worked at Squaw we never had any issues with opening the mountain, what’s wrong with auxiliary options @Squaw Valley USA

    Maybe its avi risk, but some speculate they laid off employees and can’t get them back after a dump. That’s where the housing for 250 employees comes in. (I think there’s something similar in the wind for the carpark area ‘up the road’ a bit from the highway). Will the town planning folk write up Deed Restrictions so un-rostered staff at least have rent-free lodging, and will the 250 be locals or less experienced J1s? “For locals” should be in the deed restriction. Is 250 beds enough or should another 150 beds go in at AM near the bridge? Should KSL buy a existing motel place near AM for employees? What do you guys think?

  5. If people weren’t so horny to go stand in the rain for 1-1/2hours, with a 7500+’ snow level, (not skiing btw) at RHouse, then it wouldn’t even be a f-ing issue for mgmt to be forced to open shit in high avy and shit ski conditions.

    Sorry Snarky…I edited this one pretty heavily. Think this covers you general thoughts without pissing people off. Thanks for understanding.

    1. That’s okay for the edit understandably.

      to be a bit preemptive here on the upcoming, holiday weekend, as so the much valued bay area customer doesn’t get his panties in a bunch about lift closures, NOAA is predicting big winds at ridgetops associated with this current atmospheric river, 90-105mph on the ridges.

      Please let everyone know who will be visiting that this means upper mountains at Alpine and Squaw will probably be closed. Wait time in lower lift lines will be unusually long. Be prepared to stand around a lot and ski on limited terrain with large crowds.

      Thank you and have a nice day.

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