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Alterra Needs A Third Mountain In Northern California

Disclaimer: This post is probably going to generate some hate mail. Nobody wants their home mountain taken over by one of the two giant ski companies, Vail Resorts and Alterra Mountain Company. But a lot of factors have resulted in an increased demand for skiing and riding in Northern California: multi-mountain passes, better equipment, social media, short term rentals and remote work opportunities to name just a few. Alterra Mountain Company has a problem. Pass sales have outstripped the carrying capacity of the North Tahoe area. Something needs to change. There’s two ways to go here: limit people’s access to the mountain or acquire more mountain space that spreads your pass holders over a wider area of Northern California or Nevada. I did not create this problem, I’m just reporting on it. (Written Saturday 1/21/23 but still valid Sunday 1/22/23)

Highway 89 at 7am Saturday

This was a frustrating day for many people. The traffic along the Highway 89 corridor was insane in the morning, as was the Highway 267 corridor to Northstar. The town of Truckee and much of the north shore of Lake Tahoe ended up in gridlock. Everyone seemed to know someone that took 2 plus hours to get to the mountain from Highway 80, only to find most of the lots full. Even as I left Alpine Meadows at 2pm to avoid traffic, the parking lot was jammed. It was not jammed with people trying to leave, it was jammed with people still looking for an empty space so they could squeeze in a couple of hours of skiing this afternoon, having missed the morning.

If you’re a skier, you can avoid that. I left my house at 7am and arrived at Alpine Meadows at 7:30, just as the traffic was really starting to surge. People that left ten minutes later than me reported taking twice as long, especially to get through the mouse hole. That gave me 90 minutes to stand in a huge line at Treats and sit around waiting for lifts to roll. That’s a better solution to me than sitting in traffic for hours.

Not everyone is a skier headed to the mountain. Some people are just trying to get to work or pick something up at the store and get back home. They also get to deal with that traffic….every weekend, every holiday and every powder day. It’s beyond ridiculous.

The experience on the mountain was somewhat okay today and yesterday. By being flexible about where you skied and when you skied, you could avoid long lift lines. Usually the Palisades app is reasonably good at helping make decisions (note that I specifically did not state that wait time estimates are correct).I do take issue with crowds in the base areas and runout areas to most of the lifts. They were really busy, something like Hwy 580 at rush hour in the Spaghetti Bowl. Alpine Bowl yesterday…yikes! Weasel and Sherwood runs today…avoid at all costs.

I know…a lot of factors came together this weekend: 30 feet of new snow, bluebird conditions, widespread TV coverage of said new snow and bluebird conditions, Silverado opening, and a big race event at Alpine Meadows. The thing is, there’s some blend of factors that bring people to the mountains every weekend and holiday. The list is endless…at least until Little League season starts and golf courses reopen. Can you imagine what it will be like the weekend of the Palisades Tahoe Cup in February?

This idea of Alterra needing another mountain in Northern California has been stewing in my crockpot for a year or two now. Alterra had not acquired a new ski mountain since 2018, when it purchased Solitude Mountain in Utah. (Nup, they purchased Sugarbush in VT in 2019) Then this week, they announced that they have closed on the purchase of Snow Valley ski area in Southern California. Alterra now owns 5 mountains in the Southern California market: Big Bear, Snow Summit, Snow Valley, Mammoth Mountain and June Mountain.

In Northern California, Alterra owns two mountains: Palisades Tahoe and Alpine Meadows. They want you to believe that it is really only one mountain. That allows them to call it the 3rd largest resort in North America. Apparently that is so we forget that Vail Resorts has three mountains in the Northern California market: Northstar, Heavenly and Kirkwood. At least those three resorts are spread over a wide area to spread the impact of the traffic they create…which is massive.

So what are the available solutions for Alterra when it comes to the Northern California market? One would assume that they have analysts working on this, but so far all we have heard is solutions that will only bring more people to Palisades and Alpine Meadows. This year we got the $65 million Base To Base gondola, which does nothing to take traffic off the road, nor did it expand terrain in any way. Thursday, the Placer County Planning Commission held their first hearing in the basically unrevised village expansion proposal over at Palisades Tahoe. Regardless of what you hear the developers say, this is not a project that will reduce traffic, nor will it expand ski terrain. It will only serve to bring more cars to the roads and more skiers and riders on the mountain. Adding amusement park features to the village will ensure that we can sit ensnarled in traffic throughout every month of the year. (I encourage you to email your comments on the project to cdraecs@placer.ca.gov before the January 30th deadline.)

Could Alterra build an entirely new ski area from scratch in Northern California? Just about every expert says there is no way that will happen given current environmental restrictions and regulations. The last two efforts to build new resorts failed early in the process. A ski area was proposed near Independence Lake north of Truckee in 1965 by Walt Disney, and the Dyer Mountain Resort was proposed near Westwood in 2000. Neither came to fruition. The last ski area to open in Northern California was Northstar in 1972.

I have skied this zone near Independence Lake and it can be phenomenal. The lake is now protected from development by the Truckee Donner Land Trust.

Even if Alterra chose to build a brand new ski area, estimates are that the environmental review and planning process could take more than 10 years, and then an additional 5 to 10 years to build facilities. They need something now. Again this gets sticky, as very few people are interested in seeing Alterra, or Vail Resorts, purchase their home mountain, nor are they interested in having their mountain join the Ikon pass.

But here’s the thoughts on the different ski areas in Northern California and Nevada that are not already a part of Vail Resorts or Alterra.

These Ski Areas Are Not Likely To Be Part Of A Solution

Homewood is often mentioned as the next possible acquisition for Alterra. Homewood has been owned by JMA Ventures since 2006. They are currently exploring the concept of becoming a private ski resort, open only to people that buy into their proposed development or live in that neighborhood. Will that concept fly? Maybe. Maybe not. That would be a whole different article. Homewood suffers from a low elevation and aging lifts. In some people’s mind, they are thrilled by the thought of a lift connecting Alpine Meadows to Homewood. But otherwise, Homewood is even farther away from Highway 80 and sits on the same traffic corridor as Palisades and Alpine Meadows. It would do nothing to improve the situation.

Sugar Bowl is also often mentioned as a possibility. Sugar Bowl is privately owned and people are as possessive of Sugar Bowl as we are at Alpine Meadows. The mountains do share some similarities. Although Sugar Bowl is a great mountain, it is also accessed primarily via Highway 80, which is a large part of the North Tahoe problem. That get’s compounded by the last 5 miles on Highway 40, a two lane road. Traffic there can be nightmarish just with the current pass holders. Lodging and other amenities are limited on the Summit, putting many of those people into Truckee.

Mount Rose is another option that is often mentioned as a prime acquisition candidate. It’s a fantastic mountain for sure, having also been a pass holder there too. The current management has been diligent about modernizing lifts and expanding terrain to meet the ever growing demand from the Reno area. Mount Rose is pretty inconvenient for the Sacramento Valley and Bay Area weekend crowd, but there is plenty of housing in Reno for visitors. This could be a boon for Ikon pass holders in the Reno-Carson area. They may not admit it, but a lot of my friends that ski Mount Rose also like to come ski Alpine Meadows and Palisades.

Diamond Peak is a lovely little mountain. (Sssshhhh Mark!) It’s owned by a government agency, the Incline Village General Improvement District. There is absolutely no way they are selling or entering into any agreements. If Incline Village residents had their way, you would not be able to buy a day ticket or season pass without being a resident.

These Ski Areas Could Possibly Help Alterra In Meeting The Demand For Skiing and Riding

Sierra At Tahoe is recovering from the 2021 Caldor Fire, which burned over most of the resort. This is their first season being open again after a year of rebuilding last season. Like Alpine Meadows, people that love Sierra At Tahoe are very protective of their home mountain. That said, some have moved on as it’s a different mountain now, having lost much of its glades terrain. One huge benefit of Sierra At Tahoe is that it is far removed from Palisades and Alpine Meadows and offers a great opportunity in particular for day trippers.

Bear Valley is slightly farther south, along Highway 4. It is completely removed from the hubbub of Lake Tahoe. There’s not much available for long term stays at Bear Valley, so it currently makes more sense as a day or weekend destination. The mountain has been owned by a couple of different real estate developers over the last couple of decades. Neither of them has been great at managing the mountain. Maybe the current owners might be receptive to a buyout. Drawing a number of skiers and riders away from the North Tahoe region would be a good thing. My guess is that skiers and riders might appreciate an option that keeps them out of the turmoil.

Dodge Ridge is even farther south along Highway 108 near Pinecrest. It’s definitely a great daytripper resort for the Sacramento Valley and Bay area market. Other than that, it’s one of the only California ski areas that I have never been to in my lifetime. They were begging for skiers to “come on down” on KCRA last night.

The next two would best work as a pair of acquisitions. That would be the combination of Boreal Resort and Donner Ski Ranch. They sit back to back on Donner Summit, each having had lifts that run right to the boundary line. Around the 99-00 season, they even had an interconnect ticket available.  Connecting them into one resort would be a fairly easy task. Chair #5 at DSR still runs right up to Boreal’s ridgeline. Boreal stopped using it’s Quicksilver chair in 2009, so it would need replacement. Both resorts could use some updates. Both offer excellent beginner to intermediate terrain. Access to Boreal from Highway 80 couldn’t get any easier, and there is a lot of parking lot space already in place at Boreal. If you really wanted to get crazy, you could include Soda Springs in the deal and build a gondola between the two.

I think that covers the possibilities in Northern California for existing ski areas. There’s really only a few choices and maybe Alterra should be exploring more than one of them.

What’s The Alternative?

I’m not super excited about any of the alternatives. Some I think are just pipe dreams, and others will likely cramp my style as an every day ski bum, or those people that like to ski or ride a lot. The skiing life is one that many of us have built our lives around. We’ve made sacrifices and investments in our future to make a life in Tahoe, where skiing is the focus of everything for at least 6 months of the year.

Investment In Public Transportation:  Many people are quick to jump on the public transportation bandwagon. Most of those ideas involve building remote parking lots somewhere around the Martis Valley and asking people to jump on a bus to take them to their ski resort. Those buses could maybe run in a third lane on the Highway 89 corridor. Ultimately, there are few people who are going to wake up the family at 4:30am in Los Altos to pile into the Tesla with all of their ski gear, to park in a remote lot and transfer everything to a bus for the ride to Alpine Meadows. Ski all day and reverse the process? Not happening. Maybe locals with equipment in a seasonal locker might consider it, but likely not. Looking at the current bus schedule I have to find away to the bus depot, ride 27 minutes to Olympic Valley, then ride the shuttle or B2b to Alpine Meadows after the lifts open. Public transportation works better when the ski area is right in town.

Charging For Parking: This is a solution which many overbooked ski areas are turning to over the last couple of years. We make skiing inclusive by selling cheap passes, then make it exclusive by charging big parking fees. Sure this will probably encourage more people to carpool, but it’s really just a new cash grab for ski areas. Those same ski areas could take the tactic of rewarding those that carpool. Currently there is some carpool parking at Palisades and at one point, lot 2 at Alpine. The only reward is slightly closer parking. Also enforcement of the carpool lot is basically none. What if carpoolers were instead given a coupon for $5 off lunch. How much is the ski area losing if you give $5 off a $25 jumbo pretzel?

Requiring Reservations For Skiing: And that naturally becomes limiting how frequently we can ski. I don’t have a current stats on the average number of days people ski, as most of my friends are ski bums. But the number I have heard at other times is 10-12 days per season is around an average for Tahoe skiers. Those people can probably deal with a reservations or limits on how frequently they can ski, as they would never hit that limit. But those of us that built their life around becoming a ski bum, reservations and limitations would be tough to swallow.

Increase Pass Prices and Sell Fewer Passes: That’s essentially what corporate America learned during the pandemic. All you have to do is make less stuff or provide fewer services, then raise the price you charge to insane levels. Over the last few years it has worked for the automobile industry, the gas companies, and most recently, the large corporate egg producers. Sure, that does fly in the face of the National Ski Area Associations diversity and inclusivity goals, but it is a possible solution. I know I could never afford a season pass growing up. I have no idea how my mother, a single mom, could even afford to take us skiing.

Be A Backcountry Skier!: I hear this drumbeat often as well. “Just stop going to the resorts and go backcountry skiing.” There’s just not enough backcountry for all of us. If you drive the Highway 89 corridor, you know how crowded the two primary entry points, Pole Creek and Deep Creek, have gotten over the last few years. The story is the same at Little Truckee Summit, the Yuba Pass, Coldstream Canyon, Donner Peak, Jakes, Tahoe Meadows and everywhere else around Tahoe.

A Tough Solution

Back in 2014, I wrote a pair of articles (Part 1 and Part 2) about the disappearance of small ski areas and the importance they have as “breeder and feeder” areas. At that time, participation in skiing was declining. The Epic pass was just beginning to really grow, and Alterra’s Ikon Pass was not even a thing yet. The times have changed, as nearly every ski area is now a part of some multi-area pass. Passes are overall cheaper and skiing and riding is once again a popular thing. The pandemic really pushed that into high gear.

The moral of the story is that we have fewer ski areas in California than ever, and more people that want to go skiing. What’s happening now around Lake Tahoe is just not sustainable with so many skiers and riders converging on just a few areas. We certainly cannot stand any further large scale growth, such as the proposed Village at Palisades development. We need to look at better utilizing all currently existing ski areas, and ensuring that no more ski areas close due to lack of investment by owners.

There’s no reason some of these smaller areas can’t still be breeder/feeder ski areas, even under corporate ownership. Vail Resorts has gotten very creative about offering limited passes to just certain areas or resorts. There’s  no reason Alterra couldn’t get creative as well. Let’s hope for the best.

60 thoughts on “Alterra Needs A Third Mountain In Northern California”

  1. Thank you for taking the time that you do for all of your posts. 12 year local and big Sierra Watch supporter. I think you nailed it on this one. I was at OV yesterday strictly due to Silverado opening and Alpine today. Know well enough to leave early. My girlfriend was running behind and left her place in TD at 7:10 and didn’t get there till after 9:30 and all lots were full so she needed to park on Chalet Road across from the Berkeley ski lodge. Absolutely ridiculous. When I left OV yesterday, ( like you, I can bear to call it the dumbest name ever), the parking lot was obviously full and CHP was parked sideways at the end of the parking area turning people around. No lie, two lane’s coming in were stopped all through the valley and the entire length of 89 to the mouse hole. I’ve never seen anything like it. Best, Jay

  2. Any thoughts about Shasta? IMO there’s a few reasons to look north:

    – a 4.5 hour drive is pretty reasonable from the Bay Area versus going over the pass to Tahoe on a gridlock weekend
    – not adding more cars to the 80/50 pipelines is critical to actually allowing more people to ski more runs as opposed to sitting in traffic.
    – investing in a ski area any further south than Tahoe is a long-term losing venture due to shorter seasons being the macro trend

    Lots of downsides as well but if Alterra buys another Tahoe-area ski hill, it’s gonna just compound existing problems.

  3. very well written, you should submit this to the squaw development project public comment, if you have not already done so. it hits on all the problems facing the area and how further development will exacerbate the issues. this weekend was no surprise….hoards were guaranteed with all that’s happened so far this season. we’ve given up on weekends during the busy part of the season, not worth it. problem is mid-week is becoming just as bad given remote workers are always in the area. and, your first backlash…….please don’t put Mt. Rose in the alterra crosshairs!

  4. Back working at Alpine for the first time in 25+ years. My thoughts today while getting up and driving before dawn to avoid the traffic on the way to work; the lodging needs to become very expensive. We need to increase the lodging prices and I mean max them out, if we want to protect the locals, it’s about the lodgers. As to the Air BNB and other short term rentals; tax the living daylights out of them. My only exception to the Air BNB tax would be for a true second homeowner type property. We have corporate owned vacation rentals in our neighborhood, those need to not happen, which may actually help to start changing the workforce housing options. Take the increase in local and county revenues for transportation alternatives.

  5. A simple solution would be to limit Palisades to 5 days on the Ikon Base Pass. The weekends before and after holiday weekends are now busier than the holiday weekends themselves. Alterra has changed the Ikon Pass access at other wholly owned properties such as Crystal Mountain in Washington. Why not here? Pricing needs to be one of the tools used to combat over tourism.

    It pains me to say it since public transportation does not work in Tahoe, but we are going to see weekend paid parking sooner rather than later. Dee Byrne has even hinted that is a possibility as soon as next season. That would make her more unpopular than the worthless narcissist with the local community, but something has to change moving forward.

  6. The actual skiing this weekend was pretty fabulous. I rode two lifts I haven’t been on in forever. Silverado and Oly Lady, plus one I’d never skied – Broken Arrow (yes, I crossed over to the dark side today). When the two mountains are fully (or nearly fully) open, there’s enough terrain to handle a pretty huge crowd.

    Real carpool incentives wouldn’t hurt (3+ in the car and you get a xxx voucher – free food, 1/2 off voucher for a friend, choose your own incentive).

    If Alterra’s going to buy something, my selfish vote would love to see Sugar Bowl or Rose because I like skiing there. But Shasta is an intriguing idea. A couple of surface lifts out in the backcountry could connect us to Sugar Bowl in a rather spectacular way (again, pretty unlikely that would ever survive environmental review in the current era).

    There are no easy answers, but its fun to talk about it.

  7. Alterra could get more creative. Don’t count on that. They have not been creative with their village project

    There cannot ne a third lane for buses. Olympic and Alpine roads cannot be widened

    1. Olympic Valley Road already runs in a 3 lane configuration occasionally during the heavy traffic days. They can do 4, too. No reason one of them can’t be for busses only.

  8. I appreciate the time that you invested in this post. You highlighted many of the problems, and a combination of potential solutions. None of the options that you outlined will make a big difference. Most people want to go to Palisades and 89 needs to be widened, or a monorail or another method of mass transportation needs to be built from I-80 to Palisades.

    The easiest potential way to curb demand is to dramatically increase the pass price. However that will disrupt Alterra’s current business model of selling ancillary food and beverages, hard goods, rentals, ski school programs… Alterra’s long game is the largest possible real estate development at Palisades, which will displace day trippers and locals from the mountain. The line on Big Blue and Shirley Lake lifts will grow exponentially as Alterra grows their beginner and intermediate skier base.

    Local skiers don’t matter to Alterra Corporation. We are a rounding error.

  9. Hi Mark. I’m a “southern’er” but enjoying reading what’s going on up north. With 89 closed more than it’s open, I can only ski at Alpine in the spring.
    Things are much better down here. I’ve skied (and loved) Sierra for 60 yrs and will continue to ski The Ranch. I’ve skied Heavenly for 25 yrs and won’t renew my (less than) epic pass as Vail has destroyed skiing at their Epic 3. Next yr I will have skied 70 yrs and will probably call it. It’s been a good run but the sport I love is a mess right now.
    I feel your pain and hope you guys find a solution.

  10. Thanks for your thoughtful post today. I have been thinking a lot about this topic and have been drafting a letter to the community (still being refined). A couple key points I would emphasize in this dialogue:
    (1) the current situation is unsustainable. Something needs to change. That is just a fact.
    (2) There is not a transportation solution. There just isn’t.
    (3) Alterra needs to realize that the consumer experience that they are selling actually sucks. They have a world class mountain and should offer a world class experience and that has a certain cost. Instead, they have way underpriced it and as a result, are offering a crappy experience.
    (4) The key issue is that they have sold too many passes and too many people are coming to the mountain. Yes, maybe they could move to a reservation system (which would be a total cluster fuck). The reality is that that they need to move back to a Palisades only pass and price it at $2500 or higher. I know that goes counter to everything in the industry, but if only one third of the people came but they paid 3x as much and it was an awesome world class experience, that would be a great outcome.

    Final point that I thought of today: truckee (and maybe tahoe city combined) should sue Alterra/ IKON and force the issue. The price of the IKON pass/ number of passes sold has been hugely detrimental to the entire tahoe basin (as this weekend showed) and the community should sue to force a change

  11. It was the perfect storm. The first Saturday since the holiday blackout period. Super big storm with major news coverage. Bluebird day. I read the 2014 postings when they came out. Having spent a ton of time at Donner Ski Ranch, Soda Springs and Boreal, I really value the little hills. I do not see Sugar Bowl selling out. If I lived at the bottom of Diamond Peak, I would ride there full time. No Ikon or Epic pass for me. I am sticking to old school Donner Summit. It also should be noted that Alpine Meadows is the best mountain in Tahoe. A new Lake view chair would be nice. Also Granite Chief needs an upgrade. The Gondola, for me, is silly spending on a tourist ride. I would rather have some new lifts that add to the experience.
    Rock on Unofficial!

    1. Isn’t Slide Mountain already “reopened” as the Winter Creek side of the mountain at Rose? I don’t know much about the Echo Summit Ski Area, as I never skied in South Tahoe as a youth. There’s also Iron Mountain, but I believe that is so far gone that you would basically be starting over. I guess I failed to include Tahoe Donner as well!

      1. Oh you’re right. I mixed up slide with iron Mtn. A few years ago I traveled down Highway 88 and turned off to check out the condition of iron Mountain. Such a bummer to see all the buildings burned. If they hadn’t let that happen it would’ve been sort of easy to re-open that resort.

  12. Shasta Ski Park is too low for the new environmental reality, and is really a cool place that has its niche and partner mountains figured out. Dodge Ridge is now owned by the same company that owns China Peak above Fresno, and Mountain High in Los Angeles. Mt High is already contracting its footprint in response to the higher freeze line.

    It appears everything lined up this weekend on the north shore: good weather, lots of snow, and a hard limit on capacity. Monday will be better for the locals.

  13. Mark, thank you, this was extremely well written and thoughtful. All the “chime-in’s” are as well. This is the first weekend I’ve seen CHP participation directly positioned on i-80 /89. They had lanes coned off in the attempt to funnel traffic ‘somewhere” to at least get them off the interstate. I believe this weekend, if we all try to painfully remember it, may be a turning point. We are beginning to see a transition from a major inconvenience to a severe community safety issue, both locally and in the state. Imagine the possible liability if an emergency vehicle could not get to it’s intended route or first responders getting to their posts. Who would be held accountable and responsible for a potential tragedy? Placer for letting it happen? Alterra for their unabashed greed? The state for not addressing an obvious problem? Highway 89, 267 and 267 were in grid lock mode both ingress and egress on Saturday and close to that today. For multiple hours. Unfortunately, we all know and see that there is a huge problem, and it’s even more unfortunate that Placer County does as well but they’re not interested in passing up the tax revenue to force Alterra to find a solution. All said, we all could go back and forth with our (true) stories but the bottom line is this; make yourself heard!, Contact our local supervisors, both the Town of Truckee’s AND Placer County’s: supervisorgustafson@placer.ca.gov. Nothing will happen until they’re inundated with emails, calls and everything else.
    On another note: we have until January 30’th to formally comment on Alterra’s newly “revised” same old show proposal.
    Again, we won’t get anywhere preaching to our choir. We’ve done that, time and time again, The “definition of insanity is…..?”
    Re: second resort? they already have one… Mammoth. And please oh god, please, do not let them even consider screwing up Sugar Bowl and Rose as well.
    FDT

  14. It’s gotten insane – I totally agree. Crazy, but could Alterra offer night skiing options at Palisades or Alpine to spread the crowds out in a given 24 hour period??

  15. Echo Summit is now Mountain Adventure, a strictly sledding place. As I’ve headed to Sierra, I’ve seen big lines waiting to get in there, too.

  16. Wow. Today, Sunday, I arrived at the Alpine lot at 8:18 and was parked in one of the last few rows. We have left our house in Alpine and arrived at roughly the same time most weekends and holidays for the past several years. This has never happened; most of the time we parked in the same area, about 1/3 of the way back. I do think the races had something to do with that. But I also think it has become a bit of an arms race, with people arriving earlier and earlier. I suspect some of the folks who couldn’t park on Sat. showed up extra early on Sunday. Another thought; we tried taking Mountaineer last weekend, due to the snow and lack of plowing in Alpine. Its a great concept, but not if you have to be somewhere at a certain time. The morning rush waittimes were in excess of 100 mins. Our driver shared that they have somewhere around 4 vans in Alpine and maybe double that in OV. And they took away one of the Alpine vans and added it to the OV schedule. If the point is to help ease traffic (especially local traffic), you’d think they’d be able to pony up the money for a few more vans…. especially if they move towards paid parking and demand for the shuttles skyrockets. As always, thanks for the insightful comments.

  17. Hello… (Placer County )
    I have lived in north Lake Tahoe since 1977 and Incline Village since 1992. During 1977 and 1992, I lived in Squaw Valley and Tahoe City. I consider all of north Lake Tahoe my home.
    This season, the traffic has reached the tipping point! It is not only miserable but dangerous with the shear volume of cars, hitchhiking J1s and incredibly impatient and wound up drivers, not to mention the crater like potholes.
    Yesterday, on a Sunday, I left my Incline Village home at 7am and got in line in Tahoe City in front of the bank. I called my friends in the Villas to warn them and 10 minutes later, the line had reached all the way back to their road! On Sunday, those same friends decided to sleep in and left The Villas at 930am expecting to take an hour to go the 10 miles to Palisades Tahoe. They arrived in the parking lot at 1230pm only to be told to turn around at the Post Office as there was not parking. Three hours to go 10 miles on snowy, potholed roads packed with cars full of inpatient drivers that want to go skiing with their $900 season passes, $1600 lockers and $650 preferred parking passes. (Those are all guesstimates)
    Years ago, we used to leave Incline Village with our three kids for Squaw Valley’s Mighty Mite program at 720am for an 830am start for the kids. Now we would need to leave before 7am for a 9am start but our kids are grown.
    I usually leave the mountain by 3pm to avoid the driving home nightmare. My son left Palisades last Friday, January 20th and it took him 2.5 hours to get back to Incline Village. Granted, there was some kind of incident at the 89 roundabout and he eventually turned around and went through Truckee.
    Anyway one looks at this, it is only going to get worse. The incredible waste of man hours, use of energy, spread of pollution, wear and tear on the roads and infrastructure and danger to the community in some kind of emergency is having hugely negative results on us, our children and the Lake Tahoe/Truckee area in general.
    Adding more to Palisades Tahoe aka Squaw Valley is not the answer. This is a problem not easily resolved and squeezing more money out of all these people is not a direct answer. It is mostly a result of the new business model of packing the mountain not with skiers, but with people who buy $15 beers and $20 hamburgers.
    In late 1970s, I did my thesis at UC Davis on transportation planning in the Lake Tahoe basin. Here we are close to 50 years later and the projected problems have multiplied at an exponential rate. You simply cannot separate humans going skiing from their vehicles as the sport is so equipment intensive as you now see huge vehicles with rooftop boxes stuffed to the gills with gear. The time for action has long come and gone. Now, we will eventually see a response that is a series of band aids trying to resolve a billion dollar problem.
    How will you respond?

    Paul

  18. Corporate run skiing has always s#cked, it was and is much better when one wealthy owner wanted to live in and enjoy the beauty of the mountains and share that with others. Now its just all about greed, just look at what JMA is doing to Homewood. All about the total lameness of the corporate revenue stream. Also word is the B2B gondumbla actually cost upwards of $90 million dollars and of course they had ordered the incorrect size ski racks, 98mm width, as most people ski on over 100mm ski width at the waist of the ski. Would cost another $2.5 million to replace them with correct size so they already cancelled that order.
    But as brilliant comedy as you wrote before, it serves as employee housing at night, so at least Dee Burn got that goin for em.
    Too many people on this planet already, traffic crowds skiing etc first world problems no doubt. At least no one is dropping bombs on us….yet anyways.
    Humans are stupid animals, breed breed and breed, waste waste and more waste, greed greed and more greed, war war and more war, all in the name of??
    So best to appreciate what we have in this life, and use this technology to see how busy n crowded it is on the weekends w meta maps n cameras and avoid the nonsense. Just another opinion like all the other humans on their devices. Derrrr.

  19. Parking garages at the Truckee airport, the 89/80 interchange and 64 acres. Increased local busses/micro transit. STR tax and congestion pricing on 89 & 267 on busy days to pay for it.

  20. Increase the pass price. When I moved here in 2002, and a young ski bum a mid week pass at Squaw was in the $900 range, with a full pass price in the $1000. Bring it back, diehards and locals will find a way.

  21. From what I’ve read, I’m sure this will be an unpopular opinion….but I think the best solution to traffic is to build a bunch of hotel rooms in Olympic Valley, but then drastically cut back on the number of short term rentals allowed around the rest of Truckee/Tahoe City. Have to do both actions together, otherwise it just gets more crowded. Make it so a bigger population of skiers is only driving in once at the start of their trip and then staying put. Alterra would be the biggest winner, and I’m sure would be thrilled, but it could work.

  22. Yikes, this column and all of the comments needs to be read by anyone who lives, works, visits or is part of community planning and development in a recreation area. I think the eagerness to raise cost of passes, parking, and other aspects of being able to ski was most disturbing to me. The single mother able to focus on ski vacations is being shoved aside for those who can pay the most… this single mother had a selfish reason, taking teenage sons and their friends snow skiing in the winter and water skiing camping in the summer kept them wanting to spend time with Mom during high school and college vacations…we have a lot of fun family memories… I know a business is a business and profit is the goal, so it does fall to the us, community and our elected representatives in local, state and national government to allow for “of the people, by the people, for the people” to be meaningful. So get involved, speak up and send a link to your local reps.

  23. Thanks Paul your post is so informative and alarming. I hadn’t really thought about all the excess pollution and consequences of Tahoe traffic jam. In general across the state the infrastructure is not sufficient for the population of people wanting to do things. California is a remarkable Remarkable place but it does seem intent on self destruction. Anyway thanks again for your great post

  24. As of pre-pandemic/Palisades “Squaw” used to be THE culprit causing backups to/from Truckee. Remember the line going strait to Palisades then clearing right up after the light?! That’s probably never going to change. Maybe sell a less expensive reservations-only pass? Locals passes don’t need reservations of course. Maybe make Bay Area housing more expensive to further encourage mass exodus? Who knows.

  25. And TRPA and local governing agencies don’t seem to care that the infrastructure can’t take what we have now, much less more. Highway routes are narrow, as are town streets. New access will be needed for new locations. As it is, in case of an emergency gridlock will prevail and lives will be lost.

  26. Great thoughts in this article. My biggest issue is the traffic. As many suggested, some sort of forcing function is needed to get people out of the cars with a good set of carrots and sticks. To make local mass transit work it needs to be fast and efficient. Today it competes with cars and then is no better and then no one uses it. My one example where I have seen it work is Aspen. It is fast and very often and serves all four mountains well. There is no reason to have a car there. The resorts need to be forced by local government who need to force by the voters.

    1. Except that in the Aspen case, the ski area is basically right in town. The outlaying routes still only run on the half hour. It’s 15-17 miles from Truckee directly to Alpine Meadows…add another 5 miles if that same bus needs to go through OV on the way to Alpine. Then add in the routes from Northlake and Westshore. You can’t put enough busses on the road to be meaningful or even make a dent in car traffic.

      1. I was in aspen last week, busses run every 15 minutes between the town and each of the 4 mountains–4 different bus lines plus an express line between Aspen and Snowmass (so every 7 minutes between those two mountains). its free. The busses are packed with skiers, workers and school kids.

      2. Mark, great job bringing much needed attention to the issue. I’ve skied at Squaw and Alpine since the 1970’s, so I’ve personally seen the evolution of the experience skiing there. Like an alcoholic with our hand on the bottle, we just need to face it: skiing is just too cheap now with the Ikon pass. I have one, and I agree with a prior comment that as a first step they should limit the usable days in the season to 5 or 7 and offer an Alpine or Squaw specific pass as well. I ski in Europe every year for a good stretch; I’ve seen how the French, Austrians, and Swiss run resorts and transport links. The ultimate solution is to run a high-frequency train around the lake from Meyers and Homewood to Truckee, with a periodic connector to the Reno airport. For example, you can land at the Geneva airport, buy a train ticket that includes a ski pass right in the terminal, board that train right in the airport terminal, ride the train directly to Andermatt/Sedrun (strategically purchased by Vail last year), and board a chairlift up onto the mountain that leaves directly from the train station. All without ever stepping outside into the weather or into a auto or cab. Ditto for many resorts in France and Austria. The Sierra Club might actually endorse it once they see how the environmental impact would ultimately be lower. I’ll kick in beer money to get it started…match me?

  27. Another problem is that the ski areas end up in Placer Co. but ALL the impacts affect Nevada County and Truckee in particular. Do you think Placer cares, NOPE. Just keep those tax revenues rolling in . There needs to be some revenue sharing between the counties to MAYBE have enough money to pay for any possible solutions.

  28. What this party needs is the T2TC gondola. It will have 4 stations total. Truckee, Olympic Valley, Alpine Meadows & Tahoe City. A direct connection from town and the ski area is the key, look how well it work for the Mammoth Mountain Monorail.

  29. Mark… OK then, by rail or cable for the traffic conundrum….. there really is a limit to what a piece of land can hold in terms of human beings and all the detritus they bring. I was asked to accompany my room mate, who was a moneyed gal, to ski. It was even at that time too much $$ for me plus I would have to lose time on my part time job. Skiing is not for the poor. Ban cars, as many other places are doing, and put in enough and the most environmentally sustainable to transport a limited number of people. …… Don’t build on a flood plain, don’t use up all the river water on lawns in the desert, don’t put toxins in the air or water…… It is all in the same bailiwick. Your research was impressive.

  30. Mark,
    Very well written. In the interests of historical completeness, I believe you left Galena off the list of proposed resorts that never happened. Werner Schuster spent years working on that.

  31. Very simple solution. Go back to the Squaw/Alpine pass only, no Ikon. Raise prices back to where they used to be, around $1800. Limit the amount of pass sales, and no walk up tickets. Day tickets can be sold online one week in advance and also limited.

  32. Friday, November 12, 2021/Sierra Sun
    ‘Our industry came together’
    Byrne indicated the resort has seen a doubling in season ticket sales compared to 2018-19, and like officials at Vail Resorts, said the idea going into season is to bring as many to the mountain as possible.
    We, too embrace the idea of more is better, and we’re not going to be shy to say that, ‘Yeah, we are going to be busy on Fridays, and Saturdays, and Sundays,’’’she said.

    Sunday, December 4, 2022/New York Times
    How Some Skiers Are Taking Back the Mountains
    This is worth reading and easy to find online!

    Overselling Ikon and Epic passes has been an assault on the Tahoe community!

  33. Tom’s comments

    Mark: A superb post; thanks, needed to be said. But what about the short term?

    The situation we all face has its origins in Alterra corporate greed, exemplified by Dee Byrne’s unabashed (“more is better”) promotion of ticket sales, boasting the weekends will be “busy”.

    What do you say to the Truckee resident who last Saturday started at 8, spent three hours in his car, only to be turned around at the Squaw post office by CHP? What do you say to skiers and riders enduring 20 minute lift lines for slopes that are not even fully groomed? What do you say to our devoted J1 workers, marooned and abandoned, forced by Alterra into dependence on the pathetic “services” of TART.

    Confronted, Dee Byrne blames the crowds on great weather and snow conditions. Does Alterra bear no responsibility for crowding that is unsustainable? What about the environmental damage done by thousands of idling cars? What about the disruption to normal traffic – residents going shopping or a plumber on an emergency call?

    Alterra needs to take responsibility for the monster it has created. Post meaningful signs. Aggressively manage the traffic. Plan for volumes. If pass holders are denied access they have paid for and are entitled to, offer refunds or other compensation. Do something rather than blaming the weather.

    If the current situation is intolerable, imagine what it will be like if Alterra succeeds in its plan to build an additional 850 condo units in Olympic Valley. That would add as many as 3,000 additional skiers and rides to a valley that is currently estimated to require 9 hours to evacuate. Is that crazy?

  34. I really think that the premise of this post is misguided. Look at the science behind things like adding another lane to a freeway to reduce traffic congestion. It doesn’t work because the demand for the service itself is larger than what is realized and then the extra supply adds to the pent up demand. This is late stage capitalism at work. They’ve become too good at selling their product. Add another local ski resort, they will fill that one up AND add customers to Palisades on top of that. Look at the Ikon crowds in Utah. We’re not even there yet. They’re going to squeeze us for more. It’s going to get worse after it gets worse. I think the only real solution is a political solution and our society is too divided for that. It shouldn’t be okay that they own all the SoCal ski resorts except Mt High and Baldy. That’s monopolistic. There should be a better check on industrial concentration like this. It always makes things worse for the non-elites. We used to be better at policing these corps. I can’t believe that you think the right answer is for this corporate entity to swallow up another local ski hill.

    1. I completely agree with what you’re saying. It’s the monopoly’s that are behind the inflation we are now seeing. Corporate America has learned the cycle of produce less stuff and then charge more, blame the pandemic or current political party in charge. I’m not really sure what the solution should be…

      1. Corporations and their monopolies can be controlled with regulation by the government, meaning the people, if democracy is functioning. For example, the 133-year-old Sherman Antitrust Act remains on the books but is dead letter law. Voters need to make it clear to their federal-level representatives that they want the Act enforced, if not expanded in scope. Given the current political climate, might be tough to accomplish, but potentially could bring the rightfully maligned Alterras and Vails of the world to heel.

  35. Let’s approve the White Wolf Mountain area between Palisades and Alpine for skiing and add a real lift. That would spread things out at the new combined resort.

  36. Pushbroom, Well Alterra did buy a third resort but in Southern California, Snow Valley.
    Oh and Arizona Ski Bowl just took the wind out of Alterras sails with the first 300.00 ( 309.00to be exact) lift ticket.
    Now Dee and her team will have to charge 30 dollars for parking next year and when they build out the parking lots where will day skiers park and at what cost?

  37. Frankly with the idiotic direction the IVGID board of trustees is going Diamond Peak might be the most likely resort to get sold off to Alterra and added to the Ikon. At least 1 trustee has already floated the idea, and the vocal minority of perpetually aggrieved Incline Privilegers who seem to have unstoppable influence are also on board with the selling off of Golf, Diamond Peak, and even the Recreation Department. Call me cynical, but I’d honestly love to see it happen just to watch everything in Entitlement Village crumble to the ground without revenues to support everything else.

  38. Everyone can argue about the long term solution but there’s only one immediate solution: build parking lots in Truckee, ban driving to the resort on hwy 89, and force everyone to take the bus.

    1. Where do you suggest building these parking lots in Truckee? Personally I prefer open space and parks as opposed to parking. Northstar already has a lock on the airport area.

  39. Bear Valley has lost customers over the years. They don’t even plow the entire parking lot anymore. The owners of Dodge Ridge and China Peak are looking to buy Bear, so all three resorts could end up on the same pass. Bear has 1900′ of lift served vertical (Alpine’s is about 1600′) and about 1700′ of it is continuously steep. If they get new owners that can manage it better and replace some 55 year old lifts, it could be a great alternative to the Tahoe crowds.

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