Greetings New COO,
We wanted to take a few minutes to introduce you to Alpine Meadows. You know, it’s that mountain that is on the other end of those shiny boxes that rise up over KT-22 on your side of the mountain. Alpine Meadows is a different mountain, in its own right. Many of us started skiing and riding here because it offered terrain very similar to the place next door, but without the glitter, glam and complexities of the place now known as Palisades Tahoe.
We’ve Been Building This Community Since 2008
We started Unofficial Alpine in 2008, dedicated toward building a community of skiers and riders at Alpine Meadows. It’s a community of people that ski or ride every day, people that show up every weekend and holiday and put their kids on ski teams and people who come to ski there just one or two times a year. We also have a number of readers that don’t come to the mountain at all anymore, but enjoy our posts because they want to stay in touch with the mountain they love. Yes, there’s plenty of employees that enjoy UA as well.
Typically we are the the kind of people that come to the mountain to ski or ride. We did not come to the mountain to spend as much money as we can. We don’t want our wallets captured. We remember the days where you could order a grilled cheese sandwich in the Meadows Cafe for three bucks or a PBJ at the Ice Bar for $2.50. While we might occasionally drop an Andrew Jackson on a poke bowl these days, it’s not something we are going to do frequently.
We Don’t Like The New Name Or Logo
It’s still Alpine Meadows to us, not the “Alpine Lodge” at Palisades Tahoe. While we understand the need to change the name of the place next door, there is nothing offensive about the name Alpine Meadows. We don’t care to be a part of the “third largest resort in North America” when all that means is drawing thousands of Ikon pass holders to Tahoe, resulting in overcrowding every weekend and holiday period.
The Alpine Meadows logo is iconic. The way the A and the M work together to form mountains does everything a logo is supposed to do, which is to convey a message. At Alpine Meadows, we are here for the mountain. That imagery has remained constant in all versions of the logo over the years. It’s not just me saying that. Ask anyone with some graphic design or advertising experience and they will say the same.
The name Alpine Meadows is also important. It represents the location of the mountain, the community that it sits in. Nevermind that the US Postal service insists on saying it’s in Olympic Valley. Many people have spent their entire lives recreating or working at Alpine Meadows. They are very protective of the place that they call their home or their work. Alpine Meadows is a spiritual place where humans come together with their environment. It is a church to many of us.
Then there’s the avalanche of March 1982. Seven people lost their lives in that avalanche, the greatest number for any ski area in US history. None of those people are here anymore, but their families are still around. More importantly there’s a large number of employees, first responders and other emergency personnel, as well as just helpful locals that spent days digging through the wreckage to find survivors and recover bodies. Then there’s the huge number of people that were involved in rebuilding the ski area and designing programs to reduce the possibility of a repeat. They did it because they love the place. Changing the name to the Alpine lodge at Palisades Tahoe is an affront to just about all of those people.
The Palisades over at the other place are absolutely iconic and the name makes sense over there. At Alpine Meadows, the Palisades is just one run of many. Nobody ever went to Alpine Meadows saying “I can’t wait to ski that Palisades run”, with the exception of kids skiing a big mountain competition there. Then there’s the thing that every ski area in Tahoe has a zone called Palisades. We are Alpine Meadows, thank you.
Don’t get us started on the new logo. In the three years since the new logo appeared, we have not sported it anywhere. It’s not on my car, water bottle or any piece of clothing. Yes it’s an eagle. Yes, the eagle has some meaning to some people at the mountain next door. But it really does not say “skiing” or “snow sports” to me, nor most people. We look at the logo and immediately think of the Philadelphia Eagles or the Seattle Seahawks. It’s a football logo. Orange and blue? No thank you, as those are the colors of the Denver Broncos. Yes, we are aware Alterra is also in Denver, and they like those colors. Alpine Meadows has always been green and always should be green.
But It’s Not Just About The Logo
Alpine Meadows used to be a place where locals could just go skiing and riding without thinking too much about it. You stood in line with the same people most days and met a few friendly faces on the weekends. Now we are just another stop on the Ikon Pass tour so someone can post a count of ski areas visited to Instagram and slap a Palisades Tahoe sticker on their Rocket Box. We diligently make reservations each Tuesday so we can ski the next weekend, dreading the day when paid reservations become the norm. We mourn the loss of sleeper powder days because powder days became the “powder hour” which have now become “the powder run.” We rarely see all lifts in action anymore because offering the best ski and ride experience is less important that pleasing investors. Unfortunately, we don’t own the mountain so we must live with it. It was better when the owners of the mountain loved skiing more than they loved money.
At Alpine Meadows, we don’t need Diplo and Lil Wayne to kick off the ski season. Not once in my life have I been skiing through the trees between Scott Chute and Murphys Mistake thinking “I wish there were some jamming EDM beats blasting from a DJ posted up at The Chalet.” BOMP BOMP BOMP BOMP on endless repeat! We don’t need a Freedom Fest with 18 bands, a video wall and mud wrestling to close out our season. We’re happy to ski all day and end the afternoon with a local band on the Sun Deck and a cheap burger and beer. Let’s keep it simple.
We just want to go skiing and riding. We like our season to start as early as possible and run until Memorial Day if the snow cooperates. We like it when all lifts are spinning, conditions permitting. When the base area is super busy, it’s nice to escape to the Alpine Bowl Chair to avoid the madness, or to Lakeview to avoid the masses pouring off the shiny boxes. We want the mountain managed by the people that love and know this mountain and its patrons. We’re happy to share with people from the other side too, in reasonable numbers. It gets a little out of hand on those days where the upper mountain is closed next door but Summit is open at Alpine Meadows. Even worse are those early or late season times when only one of two mountains is open. The competition between mountains was better for everyone.
At each destination, Alterra Mountain Company leaders are empowered to be decisive, creative, and bold in order to retain each mountain’s authentic character. Recognizing the innate value of the unique culture found at each of the mountain communities, Alterra Mountain Company’s goal is to preserve, sustain and support its two most important resources: the mountains and the people who live and play in them.
This statement shows up in every press release from Alterra when they acquire a new property. But this is not the experience we have seen at Alpine Meadows. Maybe you’re the person that is willing and able to bring back the identity and culture back to Alpine Meadows, before it is totally erased. Thank you for listening and let’s go skiing together some day.
Sincerely,
Mark Fisher, Unofficial Alpine
Andy Wertheim, Unofficial Alpine
To all of the people on the ground making things happen at our favorite ski area every day, you rock! We appreciate you. Also, there’s nothing wrong with the other mountain, it’s also a great place if that is the experience you want. It’s raining today and I am noting that I’m writing one post a week. It must be getting closer to ski season.
BOMP BOMP BOMP! You are cracking me up Mark! Nice piece you wrote there.
Way back in my UNR 1975 days, a ski day @ Alpine was worth the drive! Always a 50/50 gamble on which wax to apply the night before. Remember tips facing down the lip of the bowl and just stuck! I hope the big corp folks pay attention and untether AM from the over-hyped, over-produced, over-teched ski experience. Bring back the fun!!
Got to tell you, one of the best written posts you have ever written….thanks….!
Old timer!🤠❤️🙏
Nicely put, Mark. +1 to everything you say! See you on the hill…if not before!
Terrific letter! I join many who are hoping it makes an impact!
Great thoughts, good luck though, don’t ski there anymore, I stick with your mistress
I don’t ski there either. I don’t even ski in California, or live there any more. When I ski I do so in Arizona of all places, at a small, high-elevation resort that mercifully has not been bought (yet) by the hedge fund crowd.
Alpine Meadows is my church, my kid’s church, my family’s favorite ski mountain. We come to ski, not to eat a poke bowl, not to invest in real estate, not to talk about our career moves, not to discuss the latest iPhone app on the chairlift, and not to go on an Ikon Pass ski tour. I do go on ski vacations to Ikon resorts, yet Alpine Meadows is my home. I do visit the Chalet for a homemade cinnamon roll and a cup of black coffee, not for a $25 dollar bratwurst. Weekends are nearly off-limits for me due to the massive growth in visitors and the traffic jams from the turn-off to Donner Pass Road. The parking reservation system is a total annoyance and puts a damper on the good vibes from being in the mountains. The Palisades logo means nothing to me. I’ll stop here…
Greetings Ms. Ohran. Hopefully you can find time to address Bryan Elliot’s comments from the the Planning Comission hearing where he talks about getting guests to spend more, not ski more, and the idea of wallet capture. These carpet baggers at Alterra could care less about the Sierra and the people that live and play here.
Amen.
Thanks
Your letter brought back many decades of fond memories skiing at Alpine Meadows! The corporate bean counters have changed not just the name, but the whole experience. Lucky for us the mountain remains the same!!
Great job Mark! Hope she figures it out!
Thanks to Mark and Andy for a wonderful summary of why Alpine Meadows should stay as Alpine Meadows and not be swallowed by Palisades. I agree with everything they said. Please take heed of their remarks.
I could not have said it better thank you for your perspective . I grew up skiing at Alpine. I was in junior high then I am now 60. I have had a season pass and a locker since 1986 or 1987. Last year was the first year I have not gotten a season pass. I am not retired so I can only ski weekends for the most part. I can’t get there on a weekend anymore because of the amount of people. I have a home in Alta it use to take 45 minuets to get there on a clear weekend now it 2 hours from the mouse hole in Truckee. I miss skiing with my friends and family we had a great time for many years, I guess I should be happy with the memories but ” I MISS ALPINE MEADOWS !”
Look forward to making some new memories with you this winter😊
I agree with everything you have said Mark and Andy. I skied Alpine the second day it opened. The entire road getting there was unpaved. There was only a couple hundred people there. Summit was the only chair. Alpine continues to be my favorite go to ski area in the entire Tahoe basin
I have been skiing both mountains for over 50 years. With my kids. (After they were born, of course, which was less than 50 years ago.). My plea is to please dial back the music, especially the heavy base, and dial back the volume of the race announcers. Including the music at Sno venture and the night disco. Different people have different tastes. You are a mountain resort in a mountain setting. Please let us enjoy the sounds and silence of nature. Anyone who needs music can wear ear buds or ear phones. The rest of us are a captive audience.
Concur, concur, concur…ad infinitum. Also, +300 as I think I’m more important than I am.
More like +500!!
My life has been infentesibly changed by Alpine Meadows. I arrived here in 1989 as a student at Sierra Nevada College. I worked at Breeze ski shop at the bottom of Alpine Meadows Rd, formerly Casa Andina. People like Osvaldo Ancinas have built this amazing community, let’s not let corporate greed destroy it.
Thanks for the love.
These are just a few my favorite Alpine Meadows things:
1. Cold wind blown Alpine chalk
2. Cold Alpine storm days. When everybody leaves early and the refills are most definitely free. And the turns are so quiet.
3. Eating anything from Treats
4. Locker #3 stoke infused banter after “one of those days”
Let it snow!!! ❄️ ❄️❄️
Love the post! Hope it will have some influence.
My locker in #2 is filled with 40 + years of Alpine season passes. I wear an old faded black baseball hat with Alpine logo on it . I just can’t let go of any of it for fear of loosing the memory of what used to be.
Bravo Mark!!!!!
Well Done!
Very nicely written!
I have been skiing at Alpine since opening day, and love it dearly.
Glad you like the AM logo… My father, Fred Coolidge , who designed and financed the original Alpine Meadows Lodge, always said that his friend and partner, Adrian Wilson designed the logo, and we have used it since opening!
Thanks for all you and Andy do with Unofficial Alpine!!!
😘Ski you this Winter!
Mary
Hi Amy Ohran!
Welcome to our community! Don’t worry about Mark and Andy; they are not as curmudgeonly
as they might seem. :^) While we all have opinions about the changes that we have seen over the decades at Alpine Meadows, indeed the entire ski industry, I must say that these guys are also realistic about the economic and logistical realities running a modern ski resort. For example, over the course of last season we have watched Mark, and others come to accept, and even embrace the parking reservation system. Rather than the ‘all change is bad’ mentality, I see Unofficial Alpine as a voice of reason, putting these changes in perspective, while still advocating for the skier experience at Alpine.
That said, I think by the comments here, you can tell there is a degree of suspicion of and frustration with the management/ownership in our community. But these are also reasonable people, who might tolerate a measure of change, if it is done with a nod toward collaboration and consultation with the people who are ultimately affected by front office decisions. It seems to me that balancing these concerns, with the realities of the ski industry in 2024 will be the crux of your job moving forward.
Good luck, Amy. Despite the tone of this post, I think that most of these people will be rooting for you to succeed, if they believe that you have their best interests at heart. You have some big shoes to fill. I look forward to taking some laps with you this season!
-uncle Loren
Shortened season due to lack of competition infuriates me every spring.
But I do wonder the hypothetical: with rising costs (insurance, utilities, staffing, etc), could Alpine have matched the deep pockets next door for snow making improvements to open early season, and for staff for late season?
By point of comparison, does independent Sugarbowl man their lifts (I never see that one above Judah spinning)? I know this year they stayed open as late as AM, but what is the average of the last 10 years?
Nothing to see there. Just keep moving….
For Sugarbowl, the popular rumor with summit I’ve heard is that it only spins when the owners in town. It’s a hike to ski anything off of that lift 99% of the season when it’s open. That aside, they committed to spinning the majority of their lifts 7 days a week last year (historically Crows operating schedule was sporadic during non peak times).
I’m hoping Amy does more good at Alpine than she did at Northstar with redundant lift scheduling; the closest thing they have to a yellow equivalent (Rendevous) didn’t spin after February last season.
Hells to the Yah!!! I love this blog so much. Thank you Mark and Andy. You speak the Truth
I remember…. I started skiing Alpine in 1967. We raised our kids on the mountain (every weekend) and now our grandsons are sking there. I’m not at all fond of the crowds and new rules. I truly miss the small family resort that it was.
Thank you for advocating for the spirit of Alpine Meadows! All I could think of is, “You can go home, but you can’t go back.” That said, there are things in life that are worth fighting to retain. Alpine Meadows is one of those things. Well done, Andy and Mark.
Word.
Amen brother!
The good old days are gone. I hate it too! Love the letter, but as you point out our memories are not in line with the current ownership. Nothing is going to bring it back. The solution is to move on. Ski the only remaining Tahoe resort that shares our good old days culture, ██████████████. It is not Alpine, but if the Unofficial Alpine followers stopped buying Ikon and supported local ownership there may be a chance to show future generations what skiing is all about.
Agreed. We can’t entirely go back, but having Alterra make some incremental changes to show that they can walk their talk about preserving culture would be something. The shiny boxes are built, the overcrowding will continue and parking reservations are here to stay. I was previously a passholder at ██████████ around the turn of the century. It’s not out of my realm of consideration to be there again.
Is there data on how the gondola affects usage at each mountain? Do more skiers park or start their day at Palisades and ski Alpine than vice versa?
No data has been released other than the casual statement of “there is equal traffic in each direction”. That’s an inane statement because 99.5% of riders will ride the boxes back to where they parked their car. In general, if you talk to people that are there every day, the peak use of the gondola is when it’s very crowded next door and the major lifts are all showing long waits. People look at the app and see shorter waits at some Alpine lifts and head our way. Chairlift chats confirm this behavior when talking to people that have come over to Alpine Meadows for the first time.
Makes one wonder how much data they have and the capabilities of the system. Could AI analyze the data? Unrelated question: how does the app determine wait times? Passes and tickets are only read once at each lift?
From what I have been told, it’s people that use the PT app to track their days. I imagine the Ikon app data is also available.
Great post Mark! Hope to see you soon on the mountain.
Started sking Alpine in the mid 60’s. My father was in investor so we got coupons for ski lift tickets for 25 years. It was great. Loved every part of Alpine. Stopped skiing about 10 years ago. The drive from the bay area got to be to much. Always loved the family atmosphere of Alpine.
Alpine Meadows is an iconic name for an iconic place. Would we call the Golden Gate Bridge by any other name? My family, from Napa, built a cabin in Tahoe Pines in 1957-58, to have a place to stay during the 1960 Olympics.
We fell in love with AM when it first opened and have remained loyal to this day. I came home from being a Medic in Vietnam in 1970 and landed a job as an Alpine Meadows Ski Patrolman, despite my limited skiing abilites, working at AM for the following 10 years. That changed my life forever and I am proud to call Alpine my home away from home. Now I live in Reno and call my life time Alpine friends “family”. Change the Name? Foolishness!!!
Think about Marketing AM for what it is! A unique experience with a storied history and localized existence.
Love you! 🤠❤️🙏
In years of great columns this is one of the very best. Everything changes. Sadly not always for the best! So so annoying when ABC is not running and same for Yellow!
I’m a 60 year Alpine skiier. Our daughters son in laws and five kids love it too.
Carol
Well said Mark and Andy! Thanks for caring so much.
I’m not skiing anymore, but Alpine Meadows has a very special meaning in our family. We bought a second home in the valley in about 1980, (with Andy’s help!), and for several decades it was our one stable place as we moved frequently during my chase after good jobs. It was where we and our kids met on holidays and weekends, where our daughter was a Ski Instructor, and where our son was on the ski patrol briefly (and both of them had raced for the team when they were teenagers). Our daughter how owns the house we bought almost 50 years ago, and has made Alpine Meadows her full-time home.
I am deeply saddened to hear from the current skiers how corporate money and greed has taken over “our” mountain. While I don’t have the recent history that many of the Commenters above do, I mourn the losses of good times, quiet powder days, repartee with the lift ops, and just plain fun. I’ll always cherish those last runs of the day down through Alpine Bowl as the shadows came in.
I deeply hope your “letter” has an impact and helps the owners recognize that returning A/M to its historic roots is really the only way to maintain its inherent value.
Keep it going!
Thanks Again,
Jim Ware
A great article that i hope the management regime over the hill in olympic valley pays attention to.
While increased crowds, lifelines, and general douchebaggery have had impacts industrywide since 2020, Alpine Meadows has been impacted the most (in my experience). By lumping Alpine and the Valley formerly known as S***w together, Alterra has decreased the value of both places. S***w Valley was, is, and always will be an incredible mountain. It will always be known for fun times, great vibes, and killer parties. Alpine Meadows was, is, and always will be a great mountain. Known for being a big mountain with a small mountain (community) feeling. Alpine has an incredible big mountain comp venue, hidden powder stashes, and a constant allure that you still have explored it all. Those things will all always exist, but have a diminished perceived value when you’re forced to share them with 10000 other Ikon Pass holders. They have diminished value when the new Eagle logo referencing a guy from the other valley has been slapped on everything. They have diminished value when employees no longer say they work at Alpine Meadows. by creating a “mega resort” we have taken value away from two great mountains, each with their own unique culture. It’s like plopping a chico state frat house into the middle of Harvard. while things will be okay because at the end of the day they are all college kids, the culture differences are jarring and it diminishes the reputation of both.
Management please bring back the Alpine Meadows Logo. Run the resorts independently. Create friendly competition between the ops teams to see who can get open first and creatively farm snow to stay open the longest. Respect the unique cultures at each incredible resort. Palisades Tahoe and Alpine Meadows. Market them separately as they are not the same. Bring back the small town feel. but most importantly #DontCallMePalisades #FreeAlpine
Excellent thoughts Mark. Being transparent here, I know this other Mark. He has spent years working in a variety of positions at a couple of other ski areas. He can write a guest blog post any time he wants here…
Mark and Andy are the two guys that are spot on when it comes to Alpine Meadows. They know and understand both the past and the present. Trust them Ms Ohran.
Well written. I hope this letter doesn’t fall on deaf ears or just simply believed to be coming from some ‘out of touch geezer’. I grew up at Alpine, and when I moved back to the area, my kids didn’t week day season program there. I have been going less and less each year since bought by whatever Alterra was before they kept changing their name to hide themselves. Last year I spent one day at alpine on my ikon pass. This year I didn’t even buy one!! We plan to spend a week in feb and a week in March skiing Canada. If the soul of Alpine comes back, so will I.
Going, going, gone…?
Maybes not… with a new COO, hopefully they will get the message that it would be wise to be willing to stand for keeping the magic that is Alpine Meadows, and NOT just bow to their corporate masters.
It is “Alpine Meadows” and it’s definitely not just a peripheral feature (i.e. Alpine Lodge) of Alterra’s Palisades resort!
Totally agree with the Unofficial Alpine article…
Alpine has over the years (since mid 80s for me) been the favorite! A place you can go to with friends of all abilities, ride the chairs together, take slightly different routes down and meet at the bottom stoked about how fun the run was.
A friendly, sociable place, nice decks, great views, and comfortable functional lodges…
Unfortunately have not been impressed since they joined the dark side with the business model of: give me your of money… now go away!
It is still a wonderful mountain…!!!
Staying optimistic that the family friendly Alpine mountain style that forged my memories will re-emerge.
Very well written.
I’ve only been skiing at Alpine for 27 winters, but it’s my happy place. My kids love it too, even if they’re falling down Idiots, not that I can keep up with them any more. We love Treats and only ski on the other side when we have to.
I’d also like to give a shout out to the race department at Alpine, they are awesome!
In terms of improvements at Alpine, recommend Alterra look at:
(1) how to reduce east wind holds on Summit. Not sure if we need a new lift with garage like enclosures (e.g. Canyon Express six pack at Mammoth) – perhaps the first high-speed eight chair in California?,
(2) potential for replacing both Yellow and Alpine bowl with one high speed quad, and
(3) install the Subway/Meadow high speed quad for beginners/parking lot ingress