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Parking: More Questions Than Answers In Latest Announcement

Palisades Tahoe finally made an announcement today regarding their plans for paid reservation parking at Alpine Meadows and Palisades Tahoe. It’s an announcement that many have been waiting for weeks, as the rumors have been flying. Today’s announcement, via email and on the official blog, offered few answers, and instead opens up even more in the way of questions. It also does a fair share of gaslighting on the issue. Palisades Tahoe is stuck between a rock and a hard place here, so they are trying not to make the masses angry. I’m just going to remind you, they played a huge role in creating this parking and traffic nightmare in the North Tahoe region.

What The Announcement Did Say

• A paid reservation only parking plan will be in place for the ’23-’24 ski season at both Palisades Tahoe and Alpine Meadows. Parking reservations will be required on Saturdays and Sundays and holiday blackout periods from mid-December through March (and possibly April).

• All lots at Palisades and Alpine Meadows will be a part of the paid reservation system. Previous discussion of parking assumed that the Deer Park and Hidden Valley lots would not require reservations.

• There will be some exceptions to the reservations requirement. Mentioned specifically in this announcement were: Achieve Tahoe, Palisades Tahoe employees, ski team families, village commercial tenants and their employees.

• Parking fees will be collected from day break until midday, with all parking becoming free in the afternoon periods

• The cost for parking at this time is unknown. The numbers I have heard bandied about are between $35 to $50 per day. According to the news release the revenue collected from parking fees is to  “reinvest the funds generated for buses and transportation initiatives.”

• Options to include carpool incentives are still under consideration

• Palisades Tahoe is working to expand local shuttle operations such as the Mountaineer, Sherwood Shuttle, etc.

What The Announcement Did Not Say

• As stated above, the pricing for a parking reservation has yet to be announced.

• No details have been announced about what carpooling incentives might look like.

• Odds are pretty good that more exceptions will be allowed for paid reservations. The initial ones that come to mind are: Guests with a reserved lesson, guests staying in a rental property in the Palisades village, guests that arrived the resort as a visiting team for ski races or other competitions. I’ve heard some pretty solid arguments this week that having a seasonal locker lease should also give you an exemption.

• No details have been released regarding how reservations are placed, how many reservations a guest can hold at one time, when blocks of reservations will be released, or how each reservation will be tracked each day without creating a massive traffic jam at parking lot entrances.

• There are absolutely no specifics given for what is meant by “reinvest the funds generated for buses and transportation initiatives”. In studying up on what’s happening at other areas, much of the revenue collected goes into the pockets of the private companies hired to administer the program.

Yeah, I Have Been Thinking About This A Lot

There’s no doubt that something needs to change when it comes to traffic on the Highway 89 corridor and overloaded parking lots. While Palisades Tahoe does deserve a big chunk of the blame for creating the mess, they are only part of the problem, even though it’s easy to just point fingers in their direction. The huge increase in the availability of bed spaces due to entire neighborhoods being turned into hotels via short term rental properties means that more people can be in Tahoe than ever. Remote work became a thing, pushed into overdrive by the pandemic, allowing people more time to come to Tahoe, or live in Tahoe permanently. Subarus and Jeeps used to the only AWD cars on the road; now you can get a Prius, or a Cadillac with AWD. Fatter skis made powder skiing more accessible to the masses and high speed lifts shortened lift lines. All of these are factors that have something to do with increased traffic and parking issues at every large ski area in Tahoe.

Naturally ski areas have turned to paid parking throughout the west as a way to “disincentivize” casual skiers and riders from showing up at the resort. In some areas, it might work. In fact, the managers that I have talked to all bring this point up: “It worked for Mountain X, so it should work here too.” I’m not sure that I buy that argument. The Tahoe area is not the same as any other area when it comes to the Ikon pass. Honestly, we have some things that make our situation rather unique.

The most important of these is that there are only two Ikon resorts in the Tahoe area, masquerading as one. They also share the same highway as a key access point. Only a very small percentage of guests live, or stay, within Olympic Valley or the Alpine Meadows community. A huge number of guests travel to Alpine Meadows and Palisades along the Highway 89 and Highway 80 corridors each day to go skiing and riding.

The current public transportation system is woefully inadequate to meet the need. Not only are there not enough busses, or traffic lanes, there are no “transit centers” in Truckee, like the one at 64 Acres in Tahoe City (which nobody uses except for rafting and stealth camping). It’s not a solution to just have busses and not have an established remote parking lot that just doesn’t move traffic and parking issues to a new area. Just as an example, it was impossible to park at Raley’s in Truckee during peak season this winter due to Northstar visitors using it as a park and ride or carpool lot.

When it comes to carpooling, I have to cry BS on this being a great solution. On the surface it seems like a practical solution, and maybe it is for some people. Looking at my situation, one of my ski buddies lives 1 mile away in my neighborhood and another lives in Donner Lake, and another lives near the top of Tahoe Donner. So to create my “carpool” we’re supposed to drive around the neighborhoods picking up friends? Keep in mind, in midwinter, these streets are a lane and a half wide and sometime a foot deep in snow. I’ll be leaving at 4am each powder day to make it work! Maybe instead we could all just meet at the SaveMart parking lot and leave three cars there. I am sure that is not a problem at all.

I don’t believe that there is another ski area within Alterra’s holdings that is the only option for an estimated 100,000 pass holders within a 4 hour drive time (day tripping distance). I’ve mentioned it before, Alterra desperately needs another ski area in the Northern California market to serve its passholders. They have oversold their product. Unfortunately, they announced yesterday that they are moving forward on a purchase of Schweitzer ski resort in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. How many people will that draw away from Palisades Tahoe? My guess is 11.

Maybe they have another resort acquisition up their sleeve. But I fear they may not. If that is the case, Alterra needs to be taking a hard look at the real issue, which is overselling their product to keep investors happy. There’s two things that could happen in the interim, until they can offer more skier and rider capacity:

• Reduce the number of days offered to Ikon passholders. Some resorts are limited to only 5 days for Base passholders and some other number for the standard Ikon pass. Unlimited access should require a resort specific pass. That resort specific pass does not have to be more expensive, it just would not come with privileges to ski other resorts. I would happily trade access to other resorts for a better guest experience. The only other place I want to go to on the Ikon pass is Mammoth, and that is pretty infrequently. I could give it up. Obviously it’s too late to make that sort of change for ’23-’24, as pass sales have already started for the season. Word on the street is that this option is under exploration for ’24-’25. This is the better answer for overcrowding at Alpine Meadows and Palisades, and the resultant traffic and parking issues.

• For the immediate future and next season, Palisades Tahoe should pull the plug on marketing. Here we are in June, and on a Friday, the upper lots at Alpine Meadows were full except for Subway. That is insane. The passes are sold, the people are here, and every weekend is a four day weekend. Okay, they shouldn’t entirely pull the plug. People like to know what’s happening and they like a little buzz. We don’t need a constant barrage of “powder alerts”, self proclamations of the being the spring skiing capital, and endless video of the beautiful people jumping off stuff. Okay, so yes, in a way, we at Unofficial Alpine might be small part of the problem. I get it. At least we tell you when the skiing is not great too. Today…it was $%#@ing crowded.

So Here We Are

Palisades Tahoe is jumping on to the “paid parking” bandwagon, as it’s one thing they can do to stop some people from going skiing and riding. They have to at least give an impression that they are working on the problem.

I’m hoping that somehow I will fall into the 1001 “exceptions” that will be created between now and and the beginning of next ski season. If you have known me, I have been plotting since I was about 18 years old about how I could move to Tahoe and become a ski bum. I worked a large part of my life making that happen, moving to Tahoe when I turned 40 and finally becoming a ski bum at age 55. I don’t want that to end now.

I’ve been a passholder at Alpine Meadows for over 25 seasons now. I have had a season locker lease for more than 20 years. We put our our son through 5 years of ski team at Alpine Meadows. I have easily spent more than $1000 a year on food and beverages at Alpine Meadows over the last 20 seasons. My friends accuse me of only owning Alpine Meadows logo emblazoned tees, hoodies and hats (I would estimate the current number at 40). Since 2008, I’ve written about 2000 daily ski reports for Alpine Meadows, with no compensation from the mountain. (Last month I earned $1.86 in sticker sales).  I have driven an EV to Alpine Meadows nearly every day over the past three seasons. I am not going to claim to be Alpine Meadows biggest fan, because I know there are people out there that love it just as much, or more, than I do. I am pretty certain that one of the things above, or all together should qualify as an “exception” to parking reservations.

Besides just being a pain in the ass, paid reservation parking for next season will cost dedicated skiers and riders like myself between $1500 and $2200. I am basing that on about 45 days of paid reservations times $35 to $50. While I do have a fairly good pension after 30+ years of teaching, that is still a huge number for those of us that live on fixed incomes. It’s a drop in the bucket for the tech crowd that remotely works in Tahoe and brings in $250k+ a year. A lot of my friends are talking about skiing other mountains, or just not skiing weekends any more. The tech bros are just asking for another raise. That makes me sad. Weekends are the only time I can ski with my extended family, or friends that still work traditional jobs.

I look forward to your commentary.

48 thoughts on “Parking: More Questions Than Answers In Latest Announcement”

  1. I knew it was coming, but seeing it in writing makes me incredibly sad. Today was my 184 day this season and it looks like that will never happen again. I do hope that they will at least give seasonal locker holders a special “arrangement “… not counting on it though. I agree that the best solution would be to limit Ikon pass days and offer a Palisades only pass, better yet, an Alpine Meadows only pass… only in my dreams of course. Maybe raking pine needles will help my state of mind. -Very sad in Truckee

  2. Wait a minute! I ski Alpine and I know you have to be past the mouse hole place by 7:30 to avoid traffic and parking issues. Now I have to pay $50 to park so Mr. Lazy and his family can leave Tiburon at 9:00 and still get a parking place?

      1. I think it will be in the range of $35… still not great for those of us who ski every day. After hearing rumors about parking a few months ago, I’m glad that we purchased the base pass for next season.

  3. Andy your comments are right on mark. I’ve already made the decision to ski elsewhere as sad as that is. I wonder what all the techys will do once there is no one left to serve them.

  4. Hey Mark. Again, I’m a Southerner and have Sierra and EPIC passes, but I enjoy your daily reports and it’s fun to compare ski days. I believe (not so) Heavenly is going to the paid reservation parking (already paid parking at the Gondola), and the Cali side only has about 100-125 parking spots. I can carpool with a couple of neighbors and I think the Blue Go bus is still around somewhere. But Sierra is my go-to most of the time. Like you, I’ve been skiing for “a few years”, and it saddens me to see the sport I grew up with and love not being as much fun and exciting as it used to be. It is what it is, I guess : (

  5. With the cost of lift tickets/passes, lessons, lockers, rentals, food and drink being what they are, I feel that reservations and paying for parking is total B.S. I am not sure they even run the trolley anymore from the farther parking areas. I have always thought the reward of getting up early and getting your act together was that of a great parking space. Now many of the best parking spaces are reserved for those who want to pay and come at their leisure. Sad to see all this happening.

  6. Mark, your own experience in how much money you have invested in being an Alpine Meadows skier echos my experience. For me it is 40 years as a season pass and locker lease holder. And we bought our house in Alpine in 1998 due to it being close to the base area (but sadly not so close to easily walk). For us Alpine residents there is the Mountaineer but it has become so popular that is can be essentially unusable unless you rally to leave real early. Next season we will need to rally even earlier. They will need to add more buses to the service. Having a parking pass add-on to our locker lease is something I would be open to. And even though I am fortunate to be able to pay more to ski I am worried that the strategy seems to be to make skiing more expensive and this exclusive to decrease demand. Is that what the industry really wants? This is really going to hit the typical local, like you, the hardest.

    Some ideas:
    more buses for Mountaineer
    always free parking at Deer Park & Hidden Valley
    seasonal parking passes
    discounted seasonal parking pass add-on for season locker holders
    discounted parking for carpooling

  7. Hold on there cowboy…didn’t Northstar get sued after announcing parking fees long after the season passes were sold? This is just wrong, coming after the fact. I have already bought my family passes counting on the information at that time. Now, are trying to say “just kidding, now that you bought your Ikon pass and we have your $, you also get to pay much much more, or don’t come ski weekends with your every day full pass. Bait and switch? Can one get a refund on the full pass now and get a base pass? How about an even less expensive “no weekends” pass. How about local Alpine or Palisades only passes and Ikons only get a limited number of days such as Deer Valley, an Alterra resort, only allows 7 days of skiing with a full Ikon pass. Read around and a lot of resorts are trying some innovative ideas, and a lot have had failures in parking. Now, if teams get to park for free because they are already paying extra, then locker holders should get free parking, too since they (us) have already paid extra for every day privileges, and 7 days a week for locker use. Ugh! How about wait a year and get it right….oh, the suffering….might be worth it.

    1. You acknowledged that parking was subject to change and not guaranteed when yo signed the waiver with your pass purchase buddy.

    2. My exact concerns. I teach full time in Truckee and weekends are the only full days I can choose to ski. Having already purchased my hurry-up-and-buy now pass, I am outraged that paid parking for next season is announced now.

  8. Your comments on the need for Alterra to add more options in Tahoe are tight on the money. The Ikon pass has been a huge success in drawing more people to the sport of skiing and the mountains that I love. Despite the resultant crowding issues I am going to count that as a good thing.

    Personally, I hope that the paid parking plan ends up being a range of prices that max out at $35. How about $5 for Deer Park and Hidden Valley $10 for Subway and lot 3, and $35 for lot1 “princess parking”? Earlier this winter my family had the opportunity to ski at Lake Louise in Canada where I was happy to pay $20 (CAD) for front row parking.

  9. This is gonna be a problem. I live two miles away and often only get to ski 9-10. This year to beat traffic/find space I took a 4-wheeler, motorcycle, and mountain bike. But I can’t do that when it is snowy.

  10. I will say the system in Park City (PC) works extremely well as they have FREQUENT and FREE buses that run in BUS ONLY LANE to (and from) near the lifts frequently… It is faster on the bus than driving. Think all sorts of possible parking lots – Truckee & North Tahoe High School, Transit Center, etc. Express from Incline High School and Kings Beach Elementary (I’ll also note that PC/Vail shafted their ski team families – no “included” parking for them). I realize that is multiple school districts that may not want people parking there on weekends & holidays but PC made it work. PC also has high availability of the Tart Connect equivalent (app asks you if you need a bike rack or ski rack), from the bus stop to your location of choice. The $20 day parking sells out in advance every weekend & holiday but people get to the mountain.

    1. Just noting here that the Truckee HS parking lot is right at the bottom of the hill at Tahoe Donner. This is an extremely high traffic area. Asking people to drive there is asking them to take more time than it takes to get to Alpine. Also there has not been a direct bus to Alpine from Truckee in forever. Adding in the stop at OV adds 30 minutes to the trip. Just because bussing works in other areas does not mean it will work here.

  11. I am imagining a ridiculously long wait to park as the 4 employees directing morning parking traffic now have to check everyone’s paid reservations? And how about on a storm day or day without wifi?

  12. So happy I switched to sugar bowl a couple years ago. Miss the terrain of alpine and palisades having grown up skiing there. We had a place in alpine. I would wake up walk out and stand on the street till the alpine shuttle picked me up and dropped me at the lodge. My how that has changed. And to have to pay for a parking spot just sucks the big one let alone planning it all several days in advance. What a mess it will be.

  13. Trying to visualize where the reservation checkpoints would be and people without reservations but making drop offs would be allowed through but not allowed to park.

  14. How about free parking for those that pay property taxes and/or can show paying utility bills in the local area?

    1. While I think that is unlikely to happen, it does touch on the point that it is us full time locals that have to deal with all of the shenanigans related to the ski resorts. People that are even trying to go skiing get stuck in horrendous traffic all of the time. Yes, we chose to live in this resort area. But the changes to the industry brough on by the monopolization by Vail and Alterra has changed everything.

  15. Mark, I miss you and I miss Tahoe. I enjoy reading and keeping up with what’s going on. Such a challenging set of circumstances surrounding people, space, money, and vehicles– impacted by all the factors you’ve laid out. I can’t help but assume the focus will turn to the money and the way to decrease crowds will be to jack up prices to force out those on more of a budget. It’s sad that skiing and riding is becoming an elite only activity, but with the limited space and multiple bottle necks in the system– I don’t see many other solutions.

  16. We love Alpine but after this last seasons road disasters we gave up. We drove up a number of times to find 89 backup up to I-80. Judy turned around and drove home. I couldn’t even find parking just to visit Cushing Crossing. We drove around and couldn’t park and then just left.

    So no IKON pass renewal for us this year, and the reservation system and the way it’s being developed isn’t helping. It’s too costly and will make going to a mountain I live somewhat near to a PIA. We’re not SF weekenders, we drive to the mountain from our only home.

    That said, the season passes should come with a number of parking credits. The new base to base gondola needs to be more reliable and consistent. Their parking reports need to actually be accurate.

    But it doesn’t matter to me. We’ll be at Rose.

    I’ve enjoyed your blog. Good luck next season.
    Alpine Meadows forever!

  17. $50 a day?……..greedy bastards. I’d ask – “what next?”, but I’m afraid to. Our only answer as local skiers is to stick with the base pass and say goodbye to the weekend rat race, even if it limits our days on the mountain. Sad, what has happened to our sport since starting on the Papoose rope tows at Squaw. I feel your pain Mark.

  18. Oh, I really hope that someone at Alterra reads this post. It’s one thing for the execs to sit around a big conference table making big corporate decisions for this mountain…it’s another to actually see it from the eyes of the people who are actually on the mountain during the majority of the ski season. There are some good ideas in this dialogue, and some concerns that I hope Alterra is aware of/taking into account. Alterra bought this ski area, and thereby, has the responsibility to help run it in a way that is in keeping with the individual needs of said ski area i.e. Alterra needs to be responsible for helping fix what needs fixing, both the good and the bad. Getting on board with a massive alternative transportation project seems like the first place to put the energy and money. It would be great if there was some kind of private/municipal partnership whereby Alterra would take on the maintenance of Hwy 89, donating the money for repaving/maintenance, and in return, be allowed to create a dedicated bus lane (how that would happen I don’t know-leaving that to the engineers) and strategically placed transit centers for those busses.

    1. Regarding a bus lane on 89, and speaking as someone who has skied Palisades and Alpine since 1974– wasn’t 89 back then much wider from the mouse hole to Olympic Valley Road. And if so, what is the impediment to a reversible bus lane down the middle? It won’t solve every issue, but it should be something that could be implemented and tested easily and immediately. Just find a staging area with parking in or near Truckee.

  19. Excellent commentary as always. I’ve been an IKON holder for years. Love Palisades/Alpine. We’ve also been going to Alta for the 5 days for many years and the same w A Basin. That said, a resort specific base makes sense. Personally I’d still make the trips to Alta/AB without the pass. I miss the old AM and Squaw. The $ generated in the valley are Bay Area centric. I’ve heard 80-90% of every dollar spent is from there. BTW. Alta has this very same issue w parking, access (little cottonwood canyon), crowds. Alta-only pass holders are not really buying beers for Ikon peeps.

  20. I wish there was data on carpooling pre and post pandemic. Seems to me, on days when the parking lots were full, lift lines were longer. The only lift expansion has been TLC in the last 4 years, and I personally think it’s down to people not carpooling as much now. And I live up in the valley and use mountaineer now, which didn’t used to move as many bodies.

    The other thing is the resort staff used to guide people in to park tighter than they do now with the self guided parking, maybe by 20-25%.

    Too bad we aren’t hearing anything about either of those options—better parking management and reserving spaces for carpool or actually communicating about the need to carpool and reduce driving.

  21. The Crystal Ball Says

    I believe Crystal Mountain near Seattle is the closest model of what Palisades Tahoe will become. Since 2020, Crystal has implemented paid parking -> limited days on Base Ikon -> limited days on Full Ikon -> $1900 Unlimited pass (w/ Full Ikon) or $700 midweek. Note Seattle has less population, lower prices than NorCal, and a 2nd Ikon resort 100 miles away (Snoqualmie).

    $40* 12 weekend parking days (Jan – Mar) + 929 Ikon base = $1400, the minimum total cost next season to enjoy 150% more acres than Crystal at 75% Crystal’s price. Still relative value, plus affordability will only get worse in future years.

    Now, food for thought to stick it to Alterra:
    1. Take 3 trips during Jan-Mar. The 3 closest non-Alterra resorts to NorCal are Mt Bachelor OR, Summit at Snoqualmie WA, Snowbird UT, all with free weekend parking. 3 resorts * 5 days each * $60/day revenue sharing = your entire $900 Ikon pass revenue paid to other companies, not Alterra.
    2. Enjoy Palisades and Alpine for “free” during Dec, April, May. No parking fee, no pass revenue left for Alterra.

  22. Not sure limiting the number of days to Ikon passholders helps. How many people coming to Palisades would be Ikon holders if there was Palisades only pass ? As you say, there are not other options for Ikon holders in Northern CA. I think the huge majority of Ikon holders would switch to Palisades only pass and then we are back where we started from. Personally I am bummed since we live in Olympic valley and friends in Alpine valley. Hard to get to ski together if one pary can not park easily. Based on on this year, you can not count on the Base-Base to be open. To weather sensitive. Is solution to raise prices more on weekends or cut number of passes they sell ? As you said many forces have caused this issue.

  23. In this case, part of problem is defining the problem which is really disentangling the multiple problems and then communicating about them. There’s the Hwy 89 problem which is really two–the Truckee approach and the Tahoe City approach. There’s the access road issues of crowding and maintenance. There’s the parking lots space issue. And then the lift line issues—like today when line control actually happened on Summit in June!!!! Sure would have been nice to spin ABC or have kept Scott running a couple more weeks. Then there is the hidden problem of what they will really do with this mountain of new cash supposedly destined for unspecified improvements.
    Would more carpooling help? Probably but as noted it’s not easy to actually do. Will more Moutaineers help? A little especially if they figure out how to not have it be used as a Munchkins pick-up service that adds 10 minutes to each trip when hailed. There’s no one or two answers, but just uniformly charging a good chunk of dough to park seems like it’s just the path of least resistance (for them).

  24. (Edited for content)
    It’s sad that they did not take the high road and plan this throughout the summer fall and early winter then announce before next year’s renewal offering, complete with the fee amount… maybe even showing they have their act together (ha!) and transparency ? … naaaa that would show signs of civility and long since removed common decency . Imagine the amount of respect they would /could have earned ! And ! How far that would have gotten them with the local community in terms of their plans for the valley …. Possibly more than an inch forward instead of miles back. Oh well…
    See ya all at sb and rose !!!

  25. I think the IKON Pass unlimited sales is at the root of the problem. If they went back to expensive season passes resort specific the problem would dissapear and the profits would likely be the same. Roger 40 years season pass holder.

  26. West shore curmudgeon

    As a big fan of alternative transportation I love the idea of fewer people driving their own cars, but the only effective way to discourage people who are difficult to cost-burden (read: wealthy people who ski, and let’s face it skiing is a sport that attracts lots of wealthy people) from driving is to make transit BETTER than driving. We should use the traffic to our advantage here and have a bus lane on 89 (a road with massive shoulders) in the congested direction. Increase the frequency of buses to every 15 min (maybe double up near opening time) and all of a sudden you get to pick between a 20 min bus ride and a 2hr drive. No brainer. Over time, this will normalize to a 20min bus ride vs a 30 or 40 min drive (people will pay some time penalty to drive their own car), which is a huge improvement. If Alterra funding the work to make something like this happen is where the parking fees go, then I’m all for it. It won’t, of course, but a guy can dream…

  27. Yea, they have oversold the product and it shows in the on slope experience and not just traffic and parking. I will only ski mid week as a result. Mid week is probably going to get busier as a result of weekend paid parking. And the resort I ski on weekends will probably get busier too. The resorts not on the epic or ikon passes have got to love this.
    Buying a resort in Idaho worsens the problem. They will sell more passes to Idaho residents, who will travel to Palisades since its now on their pass.

  28. If the corporate dweebs who run one of the only two major ski corps that own ski areas in this country actually had a clue at all they woulda used Chat GTP to figure out the parking solution to the actual issue of oversold and underdelivered no doubt. Bwahahaha. But hey this western capitalistic cultural society is all about more money more money and lies lies and more lies as some may recall how the marketing on the B2B gondola was promoted it would reduce traffic between O.V. and A.M remember? And how is overcapacitized roads by oversold ski areas going to be mitigated for emergency responders, average joe and jill workers, teachers and students and parents getting to work? Again Chat GTP all the way baby.
    So be prepared for even more crowded mid week skiing as many will definitely avoid weekends now for sure.
    Always a good read here and excellent comments from others who have the awareness and experience of how corporate profit mentality is ruining the beauty and freedom of uncrowded skiing etc etc.

  29. The new name of that other ski area in Olympic Valley is called Palisades now, so yes the new parking fees that they are instituting now will go along with the defininition of Palisade…”a fortification as a heavy duty fence, to keep intruders out…so at least they got that figured out.

  30. Well and it was said in this Warren Miller classic movie called White Magic back in 1988 that if you stood in line at Sqw Valley for more than 10 mins you would be entitled to a refund on your day pass as founder and former visionary owner Alex Cushing had 32 lifts built and wanted every one open every day. Such shredders and no one even wore helmets then and skis were skinny.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9chtJ1YMeg&t=31s
    Today well the parent company ofvAlterra Mountain Company KSL definitely doesn’t have such visonary awarenes as Alex Cushing had, thus KSL Keep Sitting in Line (traffic that is), and AMC = Already More Crowded no doubt.

  31. Today is the first day of paid parking and I am wondering what the experience has been for those who went. When/ where did traffic start? Or was there no traffic? I was told yesterday that they expect 2000 visitors today Saturday, 1500 on Sunday Monday and 4000 on the fourth. How did they enforce the paid parking. Did they check your phone or license plate. Trying to figure this out for the forth and onward. thanks Barry

  32. I live on the Nevada side and on weekends or holidays I have only been to Squaw or Alpine to meet up with friends for a beer when they were visiting and skiing there. Being retired, I do not ski anywhere on the weekends so I don’t think this will affect me very much.
    I know there is the possibility that in the future, Ikon pass holders might have to make an on-line reservation to access the lifts on any day as a few of the European resorts do. I don’t see that happening soon though; at least I hope not.

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